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$ is kingI overpaid a coupe of times too but the stuff is so great that I'm ready to play these bid games.
$ is kingI overpaid a coupe of times too but the stuff is so great that I'm ready to play these bid games.
Yeah, the situation sucks, but this post is pretty much on the money.This happens all the time. There's not much you can do about it, if you weren't willing to pay how much you set snipe to - go lower next time.
If you were, then you were OK to pay this amount and just take it as a lesson learned.
I disagree. When people place a snipe at their maximum, they’re indicating the maximum they are willing to pay in a competitive market. If they hit their max in a competitive market they know they’ve paid relative market value.Yeah, the situation sucks, but this post is pretty much on the money.
Feel free to disagree, but please don't weirdly "auctionsplain". I am more than aware of how they work and how/why people bid, etc, as I am sure everyone else is. HahaI disagree. When people place a snipe at their maximum, they’re indicating the maximum they are willing to pay in a competitive market. If they hit their max in a competitive market they know they’ve paid relative market value.
If they’re versus a shill bidder and there are no other genuine bidders (or genuine bidders were valued far lower) they have only bid against themselves and not paid a true auction market rate - they rightly should feel ripped off.
It also distorts apparent market rates to onlookers. This leads to misconceptions by the community over what some items might be valued at.
Feel free to disagree, but please don't auctionsplain to me. I am more than aware of how they work and how people bid, etc. Haha
That's nice.Seems like I need to ‘auctionsplain’ to you because your solution is really unsophisticated and if the community follows your advice it will just contribute to the problems I’ve mentioned.
For everyone else, again, exercise caution and only bid what you are willing to pay as there will always be scammers, etc as noted above.
I understand the problem. I've given a solution, and it just so happens to be one you don't like. That is fine, and it's life.I don’t think you understand the problem.
This is not a question of what a bidder is willing to pay; it’s about deception.
The bidder thinks they’re bidding against genuine market competition and their bids represent a true value for the item, but in this circumstance it doesn’t.
Telling people to “bid what they are willing to pay” does not counter the problem.
In general for auctions, people will bid what they are willing to pay with the fair assumption they are bidding against genuine competition. In a fair auction, even if you bid higher than you originally intended, you at least have some comfort in the fact another person was willing to pay essentially the same amount as you.
If a bidder knew they were the only genuine bidder, would they still bid so high? Would “what they’re willing to pay” still be the same? Of course not.
In the situation of buying from a seller who shill bids, the amount someone is “willing to pay” should be the lowest possible amount versus genuine bidders (if any), else the lowest possible amount beyond the starting bid.
So telling people to bid “what they are willing to pay” is not helpful.
Understand that this is not a lack of understanding your position on my part.
Bro, everyone hears what you're saying. No one "doesn't get it", as above.Ok so just to repeat because it seems like you still don’t get it; if there is an item you must have from any of the seller IDs mentioned in my first post in this thread, or another seller you suspect of shill bidding, the workarounds include:
a) Never use a snipe bid (he will just make you hit your max every time)
b) Watch the detailed bidder view as the auction unfolds; you can identify his fake/shill bid accounts by the low rating (typically rated 5 or less but I have seen up to 30s).
c) Only bid against genuine bids, after he has cancelled his shill bids in the final minute.
d) Hold your nerve; you might be losing in the final minute but check if it’s to a fake/shill account. Don’t try to outbid it, he will cancel it if he’s willing to sell.
Get off my ass already.
Bro, I didn't even make the original comment and you decided to quote me and rant at me and suggest that I didn't know how fucking bidding on items of all things worked, for literally just agreeing with that the poster had said. I answered back and you didn't like the response, so continued to rant at me. Quote them and take it up with them, not me.Calm down, It sounds like you don’t understand the problem and you became defensive when you suggested I was trying to ‘auctionsplain’ to you.
You don’t need to try and one up every one of my posts in this thread by dumbing it down. We can just agree to disagree and leave it at that. No reply required (and)
Hi All, I’ve been trying to raise awareness of this seller for a while now.
The seller IDs to be aware of include;
kamukun_0720
elma7878
murah0123
deepseanet1945
kuriaisu1122
All have been blocked by Zenmarket but Buyee declined any assistance when issues have been raised with them.
If there is an item you must have from any of these seller IDs the workarounds include;
a) Never use a snipe bid (he will just make you hit your max every time)
b) Watch the detailed bidder view as the auction unfolds; you can identify his fake/shill bid accounts by the low rating (typically rated 5 or less but I have seen up to 30s).
c) Only bid against genuine bids, after he has cancelled his shill bids in the final minute.
d) Hold your nerve; you might be losing in the final minute but check if it’s to a fake/shill account. Don’t try to outbid it, he will cancel it if he’s willing to sell.
Here’s a Twitter thread where I outline his practise during an auction.
Thanks @Shane Battye . My friends reported them to Buyee and they refused to take action as well. FromJapan, however, did block all them
However I will not let that go. Buyee should be responsible for not listening to their customers. Do you have suggestions about the next steps ? Contact Yahoo Japan ? A chance with my bank ?
(From Buyee's terms of service)
As explained in Subarticle 9-1, the Service involves the Company's purchasing of Products Etc. specified by a Member in accordance with the Member's instructions. Therefore, the Company is responsible only for the purchase and delivery of a product specified by a Member and is not responsible whatsoever for inquiries regarding the description of received Products Etc., claims, defect liability, or other demands etc.
So you can complain as much as you like, but you won't get anywhere because they can simply claim (correctly) that they provided the exact service they were contracted to provide.