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Knight0fDragon

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Is there a spot we can discuss the dumps?

SF3 always had the DEBUG.FNT file in it, so that is not something special.

The date on it however (Assuming it is really 97 not 96)..... That puts us around the time of the Bible demo. This may have some really neat stuff on it. Can't wait to rip the assets apart.

BTW, personal note, not sure why "Knight" is banned..... any way I could get a proper alias?
 

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Thank you for fixing it. I was getting the "this word is not approved, please choose another." Anyway moot point now.

So with all the info provided with SF3, I believe this is probably just the Scenario 1 V1.006 image. Will see when it gets released though.
 

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Thank you for fixing it. I was getting the "this word is not approved, please choose another." Anyway moot point now.

So with all the info provided with SF3, I believe this is probably just the Scenario 1 V1.006 image. Will see when it gets released though.
Sorry about that, it was 3 letters catching our censor filter. We had users trying to use that racist term in names when joining.

I checked and according to DIC it's Version: 1.005. Not sure if this helps.
 

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Sorry about that, it was 3 letters catching our censor filter. We had users trying to use that racist term in names when joining.

I checked and according to DIC it's Version: 1.005. Not sure if this helps.
ok. that helps a lot. This would mean it is 1 version build prior to release. Probably will not see assets, but maybe we will see what bugs got fixed. Thanks for the update, I appreciate it.
 
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A few discs have holes in the data layer and will be dumped last which is a shame.
A CD can have a surprisingly large hole in the data layer and still be readable thanks to the data correction.
Seriously something like 1 or 2 mm is feasible, CIRC is twice better at correcting plain erasure than bit flips too.
 

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A CD can have a surprisingly large hole in the data layer and still be readable thanks to the data correction.
Seriously something like 1 or 2 mm is feasible, CIRC is twice better at correcting plain erasure than bit flips too.

Some are a bit larger than that sadly 😬 Will still be dumping but intend to do last just incase it over stresses the drive or any bits fall off into the drive.
 

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A CD can have a surprisingly large hole in the data layer and still be readable thanks to the data correction.
Seriously something like 1 or 2 mm is feasible, CIRC is twice better at correcting plain erasure than bit flips too.
filling the gap with something refective can also recover the data as well if they are the pressed prototypes and not the burnt ones.
 

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A few discs have holes in the data layer and will be dumped last which is a shame.
Which is why it's so incredibly important to backup those prototypes, everyone! :eek:
 
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Which is why it's so incredibly important to backup those prototypes, everyone! :eek:
As above people.

Gore below.

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As above people.

Gore below.

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I'm pretty sure posting gore is against the rules, sir.

On a serious note, any of the data readable?
 
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As above people.

Gore below.

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That double-big-boy hole might be a problem. The rest should be fine.

In any case, dumping those before it's too late is a very good idea!
 
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I'm pretty sure posting gore is against the rules, sir.

On a serious note, any of the data readable?
I believe it is, self ban time.

I haven't tried reading these yet. focused on the working ones first and will dump damaged last or try to repair scratched after tests.
That double-big-boy hole might be a problem. The rest should be fine.

In any case, dumping those before it's too late is a very good idea!

Dumping asap should always be the case. I don't understand why some don't. No digs at our seller, as they didn't know. But there's others that do know better and sit here watching history rot before their eyes.
 
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For Sega Worldwide Soccer 98, the retail version was 1.002 in all regions. So 1.000 is a pre-release.
 
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For Sega Worldwide Soccer 98, the retail version was 1.002 in all regions. So 1.000 is a pre-release.
Epic thank you, also funny I found your nick on another site while searching for info on these. 😂 Glad to see you about still.
 

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ok. that helps a lot. This would mean it is 1 version build prior to release. Probably will not see assets, but maybe we will see what bugs got fixed. Thanks for the update, I appreciate it.
I've been double checking dates, having now been awake 24 hours again.

Shining Force 3 is indeed v1.005.. But it's not :|

http://redump.org/disc/3507/
Japanese Serial: GS-9203
Build date: 1998-08-25
Version: 1.001

http://redump.org/disc/20315/
US/NTSC Serial 81383:
Build date: 1998-06-24
Version: 1.001

http://redump.org/disc/3494/
PAL Serial: MK81383-50
Build date: 1998-06-11
Version: 1.005

All 1998..

Ours.. .
Serial: GS-9175
Build Date: Nov 16, 1997 (Based on most recent file on disc)
PVD/Burn Date: 1997-11-17
Version: V1.005

It seems it's a bit more special than thought?? Unless there's another version maybe?
 

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Epic thank you, also funny I found your nick on another site while searching for info on these. 😂 Glad to see you about still.

No prob. Note that the saturn game header version number is really arbitrary, and so is the version date. You are better off comparing the ISO creation and/or modification dates. Madroms has a list of those here:
It's why I mentioned using SRP in the last thread, since it also prints out that info, it's simpler to do that than looking up the umpteenth sector in the bin/cue (it's either sector 10 or 16 I forgot).

I'm still around in case anyone wants to ask anything, but all discussion moved to discord so the forums I used to check are all dead or way too slow. (also I only used this nick here and assemblers, normally I use @zyrobs)

Since you are already dumping discs, I guess you won't need that W4012TA then.
 
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All 1998..

Ours.. .
Serial: GS-9175
Build Date: Nov 16, 1997 (Based on most recent file on disc)
PVD/Burn Date: 1997-11-17
Version: V1.005

It seems it's a bit more special than thought?? Unless there's another version maybe?

I'm guessing the disc is SFIII, Scenario 1, which indeed has a date of Nov. 17th, 1997.
See:
 

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I'm guessing the disc is SFIII, Scenario 1, which indeed has a date of Nov. 17th, 1997.
See:
Correct. This is 1 build before public release of the JPN version of scenario 1.

Based on the list provided, Here are the changes.

These are mostly program files (with the exception of copyright) and the game script.

The X0 files are your engine program files.
The X1 files are your area program files.
The X3 files are your magic program files.
The X5 files are your text files.

Worst case scenario, they took out the code that enables the Debug (This can be activated with gameshark).



11/17/1997 10:53 AM 117,088 1ST.BIN
11/17/1997 03:41 AM 46 COPYRIGH.TXT
11/17/1997 12:01 PM 1,580 X001.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 24,612 X002.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 18,916 X003.BIN
11/17/1997 10:53 AM 20,100 X005.BIN
11/17/1997 10:53 AM 16,340 X006.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 34,308 X007.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 31,712 X008.BIN
11/17/1997 10:53 AM 26,876 X009.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 26,772 X011.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 47,912 X012.BIN
11/17/1997 12:01 PM 32,436 X013.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 84,596 X014.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 9,064 X015.BIN
11/17/1997 10:54 AM 3,228 X016.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 25,764 X017.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 7,288 X018.BIN
11/17/1997 10:54 AM 10,804 X019.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 22,160 X021.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 25,012 X022.BIN
11/17/1997 11:54 AM 23,344 X023.BIN
11/17/1997 11:55 AM 13,296 X024.BIN
11/17/1997 11:55 AM 25,544 X026.BIN
11/17/1997 11:55 AM 8,208 X031.BIN
11/17/1997 11:55 AM 36,216 X032.BIN
11/17/1997 11:55 AM 8,256 X033.BIN
11/17/1997 11:55 AM 14,748 X035.BIN
11/17/1997 10:54 AM 29,196 X039.BIN
11/17/1997 11:55 AM 17,912 X046.BIN
11/17/1997 10:54 AM 27,740 X049.BIN
11/17/1997 12:00 PM 14,740 X1ASCASL.BIN
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11/17/1997 12:00 PM 10,064 X1AS_OKU.BIN
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11/17/1997 12:00 PM 10,788 X1A_RM02.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:58 AM 8,472 X1BAL_1.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:58 AM 6,580 X1BAL_7.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:56 AM 23,676 X1BTL127.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:58 AM 8,384 X1BTL24.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:58 AM 8,284 X1BTLFLD.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 7,716 X1CHOU00.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:57 AM 15,524 X1GDI4.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:57 AM 5,152 X1HNSN00.BIN
11/17/1997 11:58 AM 8,728 X1HOME.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:58 AM 8,580 X1HRRAIL.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 20,184 X1INKA00.BIN
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11/17/1997 12:00 PM 14,676 X1JOUSAI.BIN
11/17/1997 11:56 AM 10,460 X1LOGO.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:59 AM 18,740 X1MAROIN.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 11,836 X1MARO_C.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 13,748 X1MARO_H.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 15,164 X1MARY.BIN
11/17/1997 11:56 AM 6,456 X1MGMA01.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 3,896 X1MUCHUR.BIN
11/17/1997 11:58 AM 8,836 X1MUHASI.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 19,764 X1MY_BAR.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 5,828 X1MY_BTL.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 25,844 X1MY_RM.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 26,112 X1MY_RM2.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 11,360 X1OBACHR.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:57 AM 10,552 X1OBAKE.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:58 AM 11,860 X1OBCHUR.BIN
11/17/1997 11:58 AM 9,820 X1OBHONJ.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 10,628 X1OBROOM.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 9,440 X1OBU.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:56 AM 17,736 X1OP103.BIN
11/17/1997 11:56 AM 7,232 X1OPMOV.BIN
11/17/1997 11:58 AM 15,928 X1RAIL1.BIN
11/17/1997 11:58 AM 11,520 X1RAIL_C.BIN
11/17/1997 11:58 AM 10,340 X1RAIL_H.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 13,480 X1RINCHR.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:59 AM 26,832 X1RINOIN.BIN
11/17/1997 11:56 AM 9,392 X1SAMPLE.BIN
11/17/1997 11:58 AM 4,968 X1SARA06.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 10,960 X1SARA1.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 12,304 X1SARA2.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 13,340 X1SARA3.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 14,956 X1SARA4.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:59 AM 12,136 X1SARA6.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 7,920 X1SHIEF1.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:57 AM 7,840 X1SHIEF3.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 7,108 X1SHIEF4.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 4,512 X1SHIEF5.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 20,236 X1SHOP_T.BIN
11/17/1997 12:00 PM 10,904 X1STRI.BIN
11/17/1997 12:00 PM 11,064 X1STRIIN.BIN
11/17/1997 12:00 PM 11,504 X1STRI_C.BIN
11/17/1997 12:00 PM 10,620 X1STRI_H.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 11,364 X1S_RM01.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 11,352 X1S_RM02.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 9,396 X1S_RM03.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 17,828 X1S_RM04.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 10,596 X1S_RM22.BIN
11/17/1997 11:59 AM 9,344 X1S_RM23.BIN
11/17/1997 11:58 AM 9,528 X1S_SHOP.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:57 AM 13,688 X1TOUE00.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 9,008 X1TURI00.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 8,692 X1TURI01.BIN
11/17/1997 12:00 PM 19,560 X1TWN08B.BIN
11/17/1997 12:00 PM 18,796 X1TWN108.BIN
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11/17/1997 11:57 AM 11,820 X1YAKATA.BIN
11/17/1997 11:57 AM 6,912 X1ZOKU00.BIN
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11/17/1997 10:54 AM 15,740 X3BAKUEN.BIN
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11/17/1997 10:55 AM 10,048 X3COMBI.BIN
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11/17/1997 10:55 AM 14,076 X3TORNAD.BIN
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